Maptalk-Digest Monday, December 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 456
001 RE: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New Tack
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
002 Re: MAP: RE: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New Tack
From: Bar n Grill <>
003 another antidrug ad
From: Bar n Grill <>
004 special note to those who sent LTEs to Naples FL
From: Bar n Grill <>
005 RE: another antidrug ad
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
006 Re: MAP: RE: another antidrug ad
From: "kim hanna" <>
007 Old letter to the Heritage Foundation
From: "kim hanna" <>
008 AP wire: Survey: Drug Use by U.S. Teens Declines
From: "J-White" <>
009 Aug Busch 1931 'An Open Letter to the American People,'
From: "Dave Michon" <>
010 US alcohol Prohibition for young adults encourages abuse: report
From: Tim Meehan <>
011 Best submitted LTE I have seen in a long time
From: Bar n Grill <>
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Subj: 001 RE: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New Tack
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:13:33 -0800
Don't they explicitly mention Cannabis in this ad?
As one of the biggest (if not The biggest) cash-crops in this nation, they
should realize that cannabis money actually subsidizes our food production
and usually does not lead to "terrorism" (whatever that means) unless we
consider the act of growing corn to be subversive.
hmph
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bar n Grill []
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:06 PM
To:
Cc:
Subject: MAP: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New Tack
Just watching ABC in the break between 9pm and 10pm
programming (a 'prime' ad location).
Two guys sitting a table....(paraphrased)
1: Well I think we agree that using drugs doesn't mean
you fund terrorists?
2: Well yeah, but say you buy some illegal drugs, how
much of it gets to terrorists
1: Probably no more than a couple of bucks.
2: So you're saying that it's ok to fund terrorists if
it's just a couple of bucks?
Steve: Very interesting as it means they are
responding to our side's accurate criticism. The
message is still as bogus as demonizing gasoline
buyers, but interesting to see that 'we' are steering
the discussion.
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Subj: 002 Re: MAP: RE: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New Tack
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:34:45 -0800 (PST)
Actually, yes it did specify marijuana.
I didn't actually VIEW the ad...it was on tv facing
other direction and I only heard the audio....SheBar
saw the video.
Steve
- --- "Klobas, Joshua" <> wrote:
> Don't they explicitly mention Cannabis in this ad?
>
> As one of the biggest (if not The biggest)
> cash-crops in this nation, they
> should realize that cannabis money actually
> subsidizes our food production
> and usually does not lead to "terrorism" (whatever
> that means) unless we
> consider the act of growing corn to be subversive.
>
> hmph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bar n Grill []
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:06 PM
> To:
> Cc:
> Subject: MAP: Drugs/Terrorism Ad Campaign Takes New
> Tack
>
> Just watching ABC in the break between 9pm and 10pm
> programming (a 'prime' ad location).
>
> Two guys sitting a table....(paraphrased)
>
> 1: Well I think we agree that using drugs doesn't
> mean
> you fund terrorists?
>
> 2: Well yeah, but say you buy some illegal drugs,
> how
> much of it gets to terrorists
>
> 1: Probably no more than a couple of bucks.
>
> 2: So you're saying that it's ok to fund terrorists
> if
> it's just a couple of bucks?
>
> Steve: Very interesting as it means they are
> responding to our side's accurate criticism. The
> message is still as bogus as demonizing gasoline
> buyers, but interesting to see that 'we' are
> steering
> the discussion.
>
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Subj: 003 another antidrug ad
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:51:19 -0800 (PST)
This one just ran...I saw and heard it.
Two guys eating.
1: So we're supposed to believe that drug money funds
terrorism?
2) Yes.
1) Why do we take that for granted?
2) Because it's a fact. F-A-C-T, fact.
1) And because you say that, I'm supposed to believe
it.
2) Yes.
Guy #2 looks remarkably like J Walters.
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Subj: 004 special note to those who sent LTEs to Naples FL
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:21:49 -0800 (PST)
From the Naples Daily News website:
Monday, December 16, 2002
The Daily News had problems receiving e-mails on
Thursday night and Friday.
Writers are encouraged to resend e-mails addressed to
and
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Subj: 005 RE: another antidrug ad
From: "Klobas, Joshua" <>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:33:18 -0800
link to this ad: http://www.mediacampaign.org/multimedia/Ploy.MPG
Message you're supposed to glean: Take our word for it..
The other one: http://www.mediacampaign.org/multimedia/Okay.MPG
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bar n Grill []
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:51 PM
To: ;
Subject: MAP: another antidrug ad
This one just ran...I saw and heard it.
Two guys eating.
1: So we're supposed to believe that drug money funds
terrorism?
2) Yes.
1) Why do we take that for granted?
2) Because it's a fact. F-A-C-T, fact.
1) And because you say that, I'm supposed to believe
it.
2) Yes.
Guy #2 looks remarkably like J Walters.
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Subj: 006 Re: MAP: RE: another antidrug ad
From: "kim hanna" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:08:30 -0500
This Ad looks pretty enticing with cool wood stash box. stupid comments but
the grass looks like something a young person might want to try after seeing
this ad.
http://www.mediacampaign.org/mg/print/ad_leocontainer.html
This ad is good for our side cause it shows a kid died because his friends
were afraid to call for help.
http://www.mediacampaign.org/mg/print/ad_joeheroin.html
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PS: That guy does look & act like Walters.....just believe me cause
I told you so.....
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Subj: 007 Old letter to the Heritage Foundation
From: "kim hanna" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:10:45 -0500
Sorry if this is is a duplicate. I was going through my Inbox and saw this
letter I sent a while back to the Heritage Foundation, after the
Hutchinson speech.
I never heard back Mr. Feulner or Heritage.
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Dear Mr. Feulner,
I was reading at the Heritage Foundation website and saw that a lecture was
given there called Narco-Terror: The International Connection between Drugs
and Terror Featuring DEA Administrator Asa Hutchinson.
http://www.heritage.org/library/lecture/hl751.html
I was not pleased with Mr. Hutchinson's lecture. I believe that he is
mistaken on many drug issues. I am unhappy with America's supposed method of
drug control. I fear that Mr. Hutchinson is leading the DEA and America to
more failure and the ruination of many more lives.
It was thirty years ago that President Nixon formed the Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA) with the promise that the DEA would end the scourge of
drugs. In the 1980's President Reagan promised with the signing of his
crime bill, that he would make America drug free by the end of the 1990's.
President Bush (Sr.) held up a bag of cocaine on national television that
was purchased across the street from the Capital and said he'd solve the
problem. President Clinton said he did'nt inhale marijuana but proceeded
with a massive increase in marijuana arrests. Now we see Mr. Hutchinson and
Drug Czar Walters plans for more of the same failed drug control policies.
I was pleased that Mr. Hutchinson mentioned in his lecture, the amount of
resistance he gets to his DEA drug control message. There is growing
dissatisfaction with the drug war in America and around the world. I am
happy that Mr. Hutchinson has been willing to go forth and defend the DEA
position. I give him a lot of credit to take up this unpopular task.
At a recent (post Heritage lecture) conference at Rice University entitled
Moving Beyond the "War on Drugs",
the DEA/Hutchinson position on drug control was soundly debunked. Much of
the rhetoric that Mr. Hutchinson used at Heritage could not stand the test
of this actual debate/dialogue/discussion. At Rice University, Mr.
Hutchinson's flawed DEA position was exposed by drug policy expert Kevin
Zeese, among others. The Hutchinson/Zeese dialogue is at this link:
http://www.rice.edu/webcast/speeches/20020410drugpolicy.html
A Rice University Conference summary is at:
http://www.rice.edu/projects/reno/rn/20020425/drugwar.html
"U.S. drug war has no clear victor"
by B.J. Almond,Rice News Staff
Mr. Feulner, since drug control is such an important issue, I'd urge you to
take a look at Rice University Conference and the alternative points made to
rebutt the DEA's Hutchinson. To a man of your integrity, the arguments
should make a lot of sense and perhaps guide the Heritage Foundation to find
better solutions for America's drug problems.
At the end Mr. Hutchinson's lecture, Mr. Kim Holmes
said he'd like to have Mr. Hutchinson return in a year to discuss the drug
war/terrorism situation. I'd urge the Heritage Foundation to consider a
broader discussion on the drug war, similar to the Rice University
Conference. Mr. Hutchinson may lecture on drugs but his arguments cannot
stand up to debate. Debate and discussion with a broader range is what's
needed to solve this problem. I think the Heritage Foundation could be a
big help in getting America out of this quandry.
I appreciate any consideration you might give to my suggestion.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Kim Hanna
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Subj: 008 AP wire: Survey: Drug Use by U.S. Teens Declines
From: "J-White" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:51:50 -0500
Survey: Drug Use by U.S. Teens Declines
By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - American teenagers are cutting their use of illicit drugs,
cigarettes and alcohol, said an annual survey for the government released
Monday.
The downside: A large number of young people still using drugs, said Lloyd
D. Johnston, who directed the study by the University of Michigan's
Institute for Social Research.
"There's a smorgasbord of drugs that are out there," said Johnston. "Very
few drugs leave the table, but there are always new ones being discovered
and put forward, like Ecstasy."
Ecstasy, also known as MDMA, is a synthetic drug considered part
hallucinogen and part amphetamine that has been linked to brain, heart and
kidney damage. It became popular over the past decade at dance parties known
as raves for the energy and euphoria it gives users.
The survey of 8th-, 10th- and 12th-graders has been done for the Department
of Health and Human Services (news - web sites) for 28 years.
Results from the 2002 Monitoring the Future study showed more than half of
12th graders have used an illicit drug. Thirty percent of 12th-graders have
used some drug other than marijuana, and 11 percent have used Ecstasy.
Still, those figures are down from recent years. For example, Ecstasy use
among 10th-graders in the past year declined from 6.2 percent to 4.9
percent.
"As youngsters came to see it as more dangerous to use, they moved away from
it," Johnston said. In 2002, 52 percent of 12th-graders noted a great risk
of harm associated with Ecstasy, up 14 percentage points from 2000 figures.
The survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, tracked illicit
drug use and attitudes among 44,000 students from 394 schools.
Findings include:
_Percentages of 8th- and 10th-graders using any illicit drug declined and
were at their lowest level since 1993 and 1995, respectively.
_Marijuana use decreased among 10th graders, and in the past year, the rate
of use of 14.6 percent among 8th-graders was the lowest level since 1994,
and well below the recent peak of 18.3 percent in 1996. Roughly 30.3 percent
of 10th graders reported marijuana use in 2002, compared with 34.8 percent
in 1997.
_LSD use decreased significantly among 8th-, 10th- and 12th-graders. LSD use
by 12th-graders reached the lowest point in the last 28 years.
_Use of cocaine and heroin remained stable.
_Cigarette smoking decreased in each grade, expanding on a recent trend.
There has been a 50 percent decline since its peak year in 1996.
John Walters, director of the White House's Office of National Drug Control
Policy, said the survey shows that drug prevention efforts are working.
"Drug use by our young people is headed down to levels that we haven't seen
in years," Walters said. "This is very good news for communities across
America."
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Subj: 009 Aug Busch 1931 'An Open Letter to the American People,'
From: "Dave Michon" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:51:11 -0600
I can't find a copy of this letter, written by August Busch in 1931
denouncing Prohibition. If anyone knows of a copy....
Dave
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Subj: 010 US alcohol Prohibition for young adults encourages abuse: report
From: Tim Meehan <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:08:26 -0500
So much for the logic of the 21 year old drinking age...the more I
think about this, the more I think Nolin was right about age 16.
(Hell, my cousin was buying 24s from the dep in Montreal at 13, and
she turned out fine...)
- ---
More Canadian Students Drink, but American Students Drink More
Heavily: Comparing Alcohol Use in Canada and the U.S.
TORONTO, Dec. 16 /CNW/ - More Canadian students drink alcohol but
American students drink more according to the first comparison of
national alcohol studies among university/college students published
this month in the journal Addiction.
"The good news for Canada is that while there are more students
drinking here, there is not as much heavy use of alcohol, which has
very significant health risks," said Dr. Ed Adlaf, Research Scientist,
Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), and associate professor
with the Department of Public Health Science at the University of
Toronto, one of the authors of the study.
The present study compares two national surveys, the 1998 Canadian
Campus Survey conducted by the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health
and the 1999 College Alcohol Study (CAS) conducted by the Harvard
School of Public Health. The self-report surveys were conducted with
16 nationally representative four-year universities in Canada and 119
nationally representative US four-year colleges and universities in 40
states.
More Canadian students than US students (92% versus 86%) reported
having drank at some point in their life and in the past year (87% vs.
81%). Among those students who drink, however, heavy drinking, defined
as five or more drinks in a row for males/four or more for females,
was found to be more prevalent among US than Canadian students. The
differences increased among past-year drinkers (41% vs. 35%) and
past-week drinkers (54% vs. 42%).
In both countries, older students and students living at home with
their parents are less likely to be heavy drinkers; students who
report first drunkenness before the age of 16 are more likely to be
heavy drinkers in college. These results led the authors to suggest
that programs aimed at students' heavy alcohol use should target first
year students at entry or earlier.
"Our results provide new insight to the potential cross-national
differences on important issues, like the gender gap in drinking, and
the protective role parents may play. These findings could be used to
advance research on heavy drinking in campuses across North America,"
said Dr. Henry Wechsler, principal investigator of the Harvard School
of Public Health College Alcohol Study.
The Centre for Addiction and Mental Health is Canada's largest
mental health and addiction facility fully affiliated with the
University of Toronto. CAMH is a PAHO/WHO Collaborating Centre.
Harvard School of Public Health College Alcohol Study is funded by the
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
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=46or further information: For interviews with the Canadian researchers,
please contact, Anne Ptasznik, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health
at (416) 595-6015; For interviews with Dr. Wechsler, please contact:
Amanda Franks and Dionne Dougall, Burness Communications at (301)
652-1558.
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Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
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Subj: 011 Best submitted LTE I have seen in a long time
From: Bar n Grill <>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:47:12 -0800 (PST)
I don't care whether this letter gets printed or not,
it is the best example of individual research I have
seen in quite some time....
When I first read Walters LTE, I thought, "What a job
of bunching together some really bigg words in an
effort to obscure the fact that it ain't the
fact...F.A.C.T. as the new ad spot sez"
And now Jeff takes the time to research it a bit and
utterly demolish yet another Walters lie.
.....GREAT JOB Jeff!
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> Sent to The New York Times
>
> Ref: http://www.mapinc.org/ccnews/v02/n2266/a01.html
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: WALTERS NEEDS TREATMENT FOR FIBBING
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:51:47 -0500
> From: JeffMo <>
> To:
>
> Re: LTE "Marijuana Abusers," by John Walters,
> December 15, 2002
>
> To the editor:
>
> In his letter published this past Sunday, December
> 15, Drug Czar John
> Walters claims that "fully 62 percent of the need
> for [drug] treatment
> is due to marijuana use," and he claims that this
> figure is derived by
> "applying the diagnostic criteria of the American
> Psychiatric
> Association [...]"
>
> Unfortunately for Mr. Walters, the APA's website
> records an interview
> with George Koob, Ph.D., a professor of
> neuropharmacology at Scripps
> Research Institute, La Jolla, California. Dr. Koob
> states that only 9%
> of marijuana users "become dependent" on the drug,
> as contrasted with
> 14% of alcohol users, 25% of users of nonmedical
> opiates, and 31% of
> tobacco users.
>
> The APA's criteria for substance dependence (in the
> DSM-IV) do not
> depend on the legal status of any drug. And since
> alcohol and tobacco
> users far outnumber those who use cannabis, Walters'
> claim is easily
> seen as extremist propaganda.
>
> Jeff Moore
> Staunton, Virginia
>
> p.s. Source of Koob interview:
>
> <http://www.psych.org/pnews/98-03-17/drugs.html>
>
> Source of DSM-IV criteria for substance
> dependence:
>
> <http://www.psych.org/clin_res/pg_substance_2.cfm>
>
> p.p.s. This letter is offered for publication. My
> contact information
> follows:
>
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